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First RAAF P-8A arrival marks beginning of a “5th gen maritime surveillance force”

written by Gerard Frawley | November 16, 2016
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P-8A Poseidon A47-001 on its landing roll at Canberra Airport. (Paul Sadler)

The first of a planned fleet of 15 Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft for the RAAF was officially welcomed in Canberra on Wednesday by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Chief of Air Force Air Marshal Leo Davies.

P-8A serial A47-001 touched down in Canberra shortly before 1pm after making the short hop from Avalon, near Melbourne, where Prime Minister Turnbull and Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Peter Dutton had boarded the aircraft. The jet had arrived in Australia at Avalon on Monday after being ferried across the Pacific by its 11 Squadron crew from Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Florida via Tinker AFB, Oklahoma, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam on Hawaii and Auckland.

“P-8 is certainly the future, it is the generational leap that we are going to make in the maritime domain. It has greater range, it certainly has greater connectivity, it has advanced acoustics and it has a radar system that is world class,” Air Marshal Davies told media after the aircraft’s arrival.

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“When we integrate this with Triton in the early 2020s, with the Air Warfare Destroyer, Future Frigate and both our submarine classes we’ll have a fifth generation maritime force.”

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A47-001 taxies into Fairbairn Defence Establishment in front of a RAAF BBJ. (Paul Sadler)

Australia has contracted to acquire 12 P-8As to be delivered by March 2020, with the likely approval of a further three planned to take the total fleet to 15.

Acquisition of an initial eight P-8As was first approved in 2014, while February’s Defence White Paper’s accompanying Integrated Investment Program revealed that, “seven additional aircraft [will] be acquired in two tranches to bring the total to 15 aircraft by the late 2020s.”

Approval of the first additional tranche of four P-8s was subsequently announced by Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne at the RAAF’s Air Power Conference in Canberra in March.

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The aircraft will be based at RAAF Base Edinburgh and will replace the RAAF’s ageing AP-3C Orion aircraft, to be complemented by the Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton unmanned aircraft system.

A47-001 was due to depart Canberra for Edinburgh on Thursday morning.

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A47-001 and an 11SQN AP-3C Orion at Canberra. (Gerard Frawley)
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A47-001 on the ground at Fairbairn. (Gerard Frawley)
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The P-8 operator station ‘rail’. (Gerard Frawley)

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18 Comments

  • Derrick Aguero

    says:

    Will be impressive when its flying 100 feet of the deck!!

  • Red Barron

    says:

    Anyone know why the p-8 doesn’t have winglets like the normal 737’s. I would have thought fuel burn and flight time would be high on the list if it’s far out to sea on a search ??

  • Marc

    says:

    Gee I would have betted Cairns was closer to Honolulu than Auckland. But there you go.

  • PeterE

    says:

    Ain’t a P3
    At least with a P3 flying over you can tell it’s a P3. This is just a modified 737
    Pitty Lockheed didn’t restart the P3 line again

  • TimC69

    says:

    Fantastic acquisition!

    Any updates on the Gulfstream G550’s?

  • Jackson

    says:

    Red, it has raked wingtips like the 787 and 777-300er, 777-200lr

  • BH

    says:

    @ Red Barron…
    It has a newer swept form of winglet similar to that proposed for the 777-9x. I think they’re supposed to be more efficient than the tall winglets used on the 737 NG..?? However, the 737 Max is different again.. Obviously newer tech and different wing designed after design freeze on the P8…

    @PeterE
    Lockheed did propose a new Orion, the Orion 21 or similar back when the US went to market for proposals. I think the 737 allowed for extra range, speed, growth and commonality with a worldwide fleet of similar airframes for support purposes. Given that the US went with the 737 option Lockheed dropped the project.

  • PAUL

    says:

    Yeah you guys always like to show off your new kit in Auckland, just like the Super Hornets, just waiting on the F35’s in 2018 now…. 🙂

  • hwth

    says:

    15? Obviously this country does not have a budget problem after all.

  • G4george

    says:

    Paul sorry to disappoint you, but the F-35s wont be stopping in Auckland, they will be stopping at Hawaii o/n and straight to Australia.

  • Peter Bourke

    says:

    Red Barron
    I found some information regarding the lack of winglets:

    “….Unlike the popular performance-enhancing winglets found on many commercial and business aircraft today, the wingtips on the Poseidon are a continuation of the wing, raked backward to better shed ice, given the adverse weather and altitudes the aircraft will be expected to patrol.

    According to Boeing, the wingtips–not offered to commercial customers because of the additional length they add to the wingspan–give about the same level of performance as the winglet-equipped airplane….”

    Source : http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2008-07-12/boeings-p-8-gets-its-wings

  • Raymond

    says:

    hwth – no, we just take our defence seriously, as we should.

    FYI, the sovereignty and defence of a nation is a government’s first priority.

    Thank you Mr Abbott and now Mr Turnbull for investing in our security and future in these uncertain times. We are so privileged to have first-rate defence equipment such as the P-8, and I, for one, absolutely appreciates it.

    One day, just maybe one day, we will be so thankful we made these very wise investments.

    Congratulations RAAF.

  • PAUL

    says:

    @G4george – Ahhh the benefits of Supercruise….

  • tp11

    says:

    Raymond are you aware how Abbott, Turnbull and others have funded this?

    From a combination of selling off public assets or institutions, borrowing money from other countries and reducing funding from other public departments. The result is more power to multinational corporations, less power to every day people & less government control.That’s your idea of sovereignty?

  • Jason

    says:

    That’s a big call to saying what the F-35 delivery route will be 2+ years out! I doubt anyone in the RAAF has even thought about that yet…

  • Taurean Lea

    says:

    We shall all welcome the Poisedon to Australia and the P-8As are certainly the future aircraft of the Australian Defence Force :-D.

  • Craigy

    says:

    Someone needs to tell the owner of the spreadsheet that the customer isnt the Australia Navy

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First RAAF P-8A arrival marks beginning of a “5th gen maritime surveillance force”

written by Gerard Frawley | November 16, 2016
img_3023-crop
P-8A Poseidon A47-001 on its landing roll at Canberra Airport. (Paul Sadler)

The first of a planned fleet of 15 Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft for the RAAF was officially welcomed in Canberra on Wednesday by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Chief of Air Force Air Marshal Leo Davies.

P-8A serial A47-001 touched down in Canberra shortly before 1pm after making the short hop from Avalon, near Melbourne, where Prime Minister Turnbull and Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Peter Dutton had boarded the aircraft. The jet had arrived in Australia at Avalon on Monday after being ferried across the Pacific by its 11 Squadron crew from Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Florida via Tinker AFB, Oklahoma, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam on Hawaii and Auckland.

“P-8 is certainly the future, it is the generational leap that we are going to make in the maritime domain. It has greater range, it certainly has greater connectivity, it has advanced acoustics and it has a radar system that is world class,” Air Marshal Davies told media after the aircraft’s arrival.

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“When we integrate this with Triton in the early 2020s, with the Air Warfare Destroyer, Future Frigate and both our submarine classes we’ll have a fifth generation maritime force.”

img_3024-crop
A47-001 taxies into Fairbairn Defence Establishment in front of a RAAF BBJ. (Paul Sadler)

Australia has contracted to acquire 12 P-8As to be delivered by March 2020, with the likely approval of a further three planned to take the total fleet to 15.

Acquisition of an initial eight P-8As was first approved in 2014, while February’s Defence White Paper’s accompanying Integrated Investment Program revealed that, “seven additional aircraft [will] be acquired in two tranches to bring the total to 15 aircraft by the late 2020s.”

Approval of the first additional tranche of four P-8s was subsequently announced by Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne at the RAAF’s Air Power Conference in Canberra in March.

PROMOTED CONTENT

The aircraft will be based at RAAF Base Edinburgh and will replace the RAAF’s ageing AP-3C Orion aircraft, to be complemented by the Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton unmanned aircraft system.

A47-001 was due to depart Canberra for Edinburgh on Thursday morning.

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A47-001 and an 11SQN AP-3C Orion at Canberra. (Gerard Frawley)
img_6377-crop
A47-001 on the ground at Fairbairn. (Gerard Frawley)
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The P-8 operator station ‘rail’. (Gerard Frawley)

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18 Comments

  • Derrick Aguero

    says:

    Will be impressive when its flying 100 feet of the deck!!

  • Red Barron

    says:

    Anyone know why the p-8 doesn’t have winglets like the normal 737’s. I would have thought fuel burn and flight time would be high on the list if it’s far out to sea on a search ??

  • Marc

    says:

    Gee I would have betted Cairns was closer to Honolulu than Auckland. But there you go.

  • PeterE

    says:

    Ain’t a P3
    At least with a P3 flying over you can tell it’s a P3. This is just a modified 737
    Pitty Lockheed didn’t restart the P3 line again

  • TimC69

    says:

    Fantastic acquisition!

    Any updates on the Gulfstream G550’s?

  • Jackson

    says:

    Red, it has raked wingtips like the 787 and 777-300er, 777-200lr

  • BH

    says:

    @ Red Barron…
    It has a newer swept form of winglet similar to that proposed for the 777-9x. I think they’re supposed to be more efficient than the tall winglets used on the 737 NG..?? However, the 737 Max is different again.. Obviously newer tech and different wing designed after design freeze on the P8…

    @PeterE
    Lockheed did propose a new Orion, the Orion 21 or similar back when the US went to market for proposals. I think the 737 allowed for extra range, speed, growth and commonality with a worldwide fleet of similar airframes for support purposes. Given that the US went with the 737 option Lockheed dropped the project.

  • PAUL

    says:

    Yeah you guys always like to show off your new kit in Auckland, just like the Super Hornets, just waiting on the F35’s in 2018 now…. 🙂

  • hwth

    says:

    15? Obviously this country does not have a budget problem after all.

  • G4george

    says:

    Paul sorry to disappoint you, but the F-35s wont be stopping in Auckland, they will be stopping at Hawaii o/n and straight to Australia.

  • Peter Bourke

    says:

    Red Barron
    I found some information regarding the lack of winglets:

    “….Unlike the popular performance-enhancing winglets found on many commercial and business aircraft today, the wingtips on the Poseidon are a continuation of the wing, raked backward to better shed ice, given the adverse weather and altitudes the aircraft will be expected to patrol.

    According to Boeing, the wingtips–not offered to commercial customers because of the additional length they add to the wingspan–give about the same level of performance as the winglet-equipped airplane….”

    Source : http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2008-07-12/boeings-p-8-gets-its-wings

  • Raymond

    says:

    hwth – no, we just take our defence seriously, as we should.

    FYI, the sovereignty and defence of a nation is a government’s first priority.

    Thank you Mr Abbott and now Mr Turnbull for investing in our security and future in these uncertain times. We are so privileged to have first-rate defence equipment such as the P-8, and I, for one, absolutely appreciates it.

    One day, just maybe one day, we will be so thankful we made these very wise investments.

    Congratulations RAAF.

  • PAUL

    says:

    @G4george – Ahhh the benefits of Supercruise….

  • tp11

    says:

    Raymond are you aware how Abbott, Turnbull and others have funded this?

    From a combination of selling off public assets or institutions, borrowing money from other countries and reducing funding from other public departments. The result is more power to multinational corporations, less power to every day people & less government control.That’s your idea of sovereignty?

  • Jason

    says:

    That’s a big call to saying what the F-35 delivery route will be 2+ years out! I doubt anyone in the RAAF has even thought about that yet…

  • Taurean Lea

    says:

    We shall all welcome the Poisedon to Australia and the P-8As are certainly the future aircraft of the Australian Defence Force :-D.

  • Craigy

    says:

    Someone needs to tell the owner of the spreadsheet that the customer isnt the Australia Navy

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First RAAF P-8A arrival marks beginning of a “5th gen maritime surveillance force”

written by Gerard Frawley | November 16, 2016
img_3023-crop
P-8A Poseidon A47-001 on its landing roll at Canberra Airport. (Paul Sadler)

The first of a planned fleet of 15 Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft for the RAAF was officially welcomed in Canberra on Wednesday by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Chief of Air Force Air Marshal Leo Davies.

P-8A serial A47-001 touched down in Canberra shortly before 1pm after making the short hop from Avalon, near Melbourne, where Prime Minister Turnbull and Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Peter Dutton had boarded the aircraft. The jet had arrived in Australia at Avalon on Monday after being ferried across the Pacific by its 11 Squadron crew from Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Florida via Tinker AFB, Oklahoma, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam on Hawaii and Auckland.

“P-8 is certainly the future, it is the generational leap that we are going to make in the maritime domain. It has greater range, it certainly has greater connectivity, it has advanced acoustics and it has a radar system that is world class,” Air Marshal Davies told media after the aircraft’s arrival.

Advertisement
Advertisement

“When we integrate this with Triton in the early 2020s, with the Air Warfare Destroyer, Future Frigate and both our submarine classes we’ll have a fifth generation maritime force.”

img_3024-crop
A47-001 taxies into Fairbairn Defence Establishment in front of a RAAF BBJ. (Paul Sadler)

Australia has contracted to acquire 12 P-8As to be delivered by March 2020, with the likely approval of a further three planned to take the total fleet to 15.

Acquisition of an initial eight P-8As was first approved in 2014, while February’s Defence White Paper’s accompanying Integrated Investment Program revealed that, “seven additional aircraft [will] be acquired in two tranches to bring the total to 15 aircraft by the late 2020s.”

Approval of the first additional tranche of four P-8s was subsequently announced by Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne at the RAAF’s Air Power Conference in Canberra in March.

PROMOTED CONTENT

The aircraft will be based at RAAF Base Edinburgh and will replace the RAAF’s ageing AP-3C Orion aircraft, to be complemented by the Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton unmanned aircraft system.

A47-001 was due to depart Canberra for Edinburgh on Thursday morning.

img_6360-crop
A47-001 and an 11SQN AP-3C Orion at Canberra. (Gerard Frawley)
img_6377-crop
A47-001 on the ground at Fairbairn. (Gerard Frawley)
img_6371-crop
The P-8 operator station ‘rail’. (Gerard Frawley)

Steer your own in-flight experience – available on print and digital Whether our classic glossy magazine in your letterbox, daily news updates in your inbox, peeling back a few layers in the podcast or our monthly current affair reports, you can count on us to keep you up to date. Sign up today for just $99.95 for more exclusive offers here. Subscribe now at australianaviation.com.au.

18 Comments

  • Derrick Aguero

    says:

    Will be impressive when its flying 100 feet of the deck!!

  • Red Barron

    says:

    Anyone know why the p-8 doesn’t have winglets like the normal 737’s. I would have thought fuel burn and flight time would be high on the list if it’s far out to sea on a search ??

  • Marc

    says:

    Gee I would have betted Cairns was closer to Honolulu than Auckland. But there you go.

  • PeterE

    says:

    Ain’t a P3
    At least with a P3 flying over you can tell it’s a P3. This is just a modified 737
    Pitty Lockheed didn’t restart the P3 line again

  • TimC69

    says:

    Fantastic acquisition!

    Any updates on the Gulfstream G550’s?

  • Jackson

    says:

    Red, it has raked wingtips like the 787 and 777-300er, 777-200lr

  • BH

    says:

    @ Red Barron…
    It has a newer swept form of winglet similar to that proposed for the 777-9x. I think they’re supposed to be more efficient than the tall winglets used on the 737 NG..?? However, the 737 Max is different again.. Obviously newer tech and different wing designed after design freeze on the P8…

    @PeterE
    Lockheed did propose a new Orion, the Orion 21 or similar back when the US went to market for proposals. I think the 737 allowed for extra range, speed, growth and commonality with a worldwide fleet of similar airframes for support purposes. Given that the US went with the 737 option Lockheed dropped the project.

  • PAUL

    says:

    Yeah you guys always like to show off your new kit in Auckland, just like the Super Hornets, just waiting on the F35’s in 2018 now…. 🙂

  • hwth

    says:

    15? Obviously this country does not have a budget problem after all.

  • G4george

    says:

    Paul sorry to disappoint you, but the F-35s wont be stopping in Auckland, they will be stopping at Hawaii o/n and straight to Australia.

  • Peter Bourke

    says:

    Red Barron
    I found some information regarding the lack of winglets:

    “….Unlike the popular performance-enhancing winglets found on many commercial and business aircraft today, the wingtips on the Poseidon are a continuation of the wing, raked backward to better shed ice, given the adverse weather and altitudes the aircraft will be expected to patrol.

    According to Boeing, the wingtips–not offered to commercial customers because of the additional length they add to the wingspan–give about the same level of performance as the winglet-equipped airplane….”

    Source : http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2008-07-12/boeings-p-8-gets-its-wings

  • Raymond

    says:

    hwth – no, we just take our defence seriously, as we should.

    FYI, the sovereignty and defence of a nation is a government’s first priority.

    Thank you Mr Abbott and now Mr Turnbull for investing in our security and future in these uncertain times. We are so privileged to have first-rate defence equipment such as the P-8, and I, for one, absolutely appreciates it.

    One day, just maybe one day, we will be so thankful we made these very wise investments.

    Congratulations RAAF.

  • PAUL

    says:

    @G4george – Ahhh the benefits of Supercruise….

  • tp11

    says:

    Raymond are you aware how Abbott, Turnbull and others have funded this?

    From a combination of selling off public assets or institutions, borrowing money from other countries and reducing funding from other public departments. The result is more power to multinational corporations, less power to every day people & less government control.That’s your idea of sovereignty?

  • Jason

    says:

    That’s a big call to saying what the F-35 delivery route will be 2+ years out! I doubt anyone in the RAAF has even thought about that yet…

  • Taurean Lea

    says:

    We shall all welcome the Poisedon to Australia and the P-8As are certainly the future aircraft of the Australian Defence Force :-D.

  • Craigy

    says:

    Someone needs to tell the owner of the spreadsheet that the customer isnt the Australia Navy

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