Frawls

Right up to the last day, he was fully qualified to fly fast jets and at age 66 that makes him the oldest serving fighter pilot in Australia and likely the world.

As at August 1 last year the Guinness Book of World Records acknowledged Squadron Leader Phil Frawley, then 65, of Newcastle, NSW, Australia, as the world’s oldest active fighter pilot.

A year older, Frawley, who goes by the moniker Frawls, said he planned to try and update that record.

Reflecting on fast jets and young pilots, he said of all the fighters he’s flown, the standout was the MiG 21, the Soviet-designed supersonic fighter and interceptor which first flew in 1956 and which remains in service in mostly third world air forces around the world.

A total of 11,496 were made, most in the former USSR.

“When I was flying Mirages we were told they were hunks of junk and not really worthy of being an adversary,” he told Australian Aviation.

“Once I learned to fly it, I soon found that it was actually in many ways superior to the Mirage. In the right hands we would have had a hard time defeating it – magnificent jet.”

Because so many were made and subsequently sold off as former Soviet clients updated their air forces, a significant number of MiG 21s have found their way into private hands.

There are more than 40 in the US, a couple in Australia, including one at Fighter World, Williamtown, which he used to fly.

Frawley said spare parts are easy to obtain but it was not an easy jet to master.

“It’s very very manly, that’s for sure. Only my Mirage experience helped me through the process of training on it.,” he said.

“I was trained by the deputy chief of the Slovakian air force.

“The reliability and the robust nature of the aeroplane is just incredible. That seems to be the theme through Russian aeroplanes.”

Of all the pilots he’s instructed, just one stood out as an absolute natural and he was not an Aussie, but a Saudi Arabian. That was during a five-year contract to train Royal Saudi Air Force pilots on the Hawk lead-in fighter.

‘Of all the pilots he’s instructed, just one stood out as an absolute natural.’

“He flew the aeroplane way better than I could. He was amazing. I have never seen anybody quite like that,” he said.

“There are a lot of gifted people who come through onto fighters, naturally enough because they are selected that way. To be the instructor of a guy like this guy was absolutely amazing.

“Fifty to sixty per cent of the kids that I have trained in fighters have been well above average but still needing a lot of guidance. With this guy in Saudi Arabia, every training set that we did and every skill set he was required to do, he was exemplary. He went onto F-15s.”

After returning from Saudi, he returned to the RAAF but as a reservist with 76 Squadron at RAAF Williamtown.

His thoughts on young Australian pilots?

“There has been a slight downturn in the standard because we are not getting as many recruits for pilot training,” he said.

“Having said that the kids that come through are all over computers and things digital. They pick up the logic of the computers in the aeroplane very quickly. In that respect they are probably a bit more adept.”

But in terms of basic flying skills, some still encountered problems from time to time.

“The way the training regime is in the air force now, we put a lot of effort into making sure they come up to speed. If they need remedial training we give it to them” he said.

“The air force invests a hell of a lot of money in these young people and to get them to a certain level in their training and then decide we don’t want to continue with them any more is really nonsensical. It is not economical.

“If we can give them a remedial training package that gets them up to the right standard and sends them on their way it is fantastic.”

The RAAF has just graduated its first two female Hornet pilots, assisted along the way by Phil Frawley.

“They were two different personalities but both very determined. As far as I am concerned having females on fighters is fine. There is no problem with it whatsoever,” he said.

“I actually found that the girls had a better feel for the aeroplane. The guys tend to be very mechanical initially until they get a bit more experience. In my experience, the girls seem to be to be in tune with the airframe more so than the boys. It’s hard to put a reason to that.”

‘I actually found that the girls had a better feel for the aeroplane.’

Frawley said he was very proud to have trained 499 Australian Defence Force pilots.

“I didn’t click over to 500 which is unfortunate but that’s alright,” he said.

“To be part of their dreams and aspirations is so incredibly satisfying. It is just wonderful to know that you have helped them on their way.”

Like many youngsters growing up in the aftermath of World War 2, he developed an early passion for aviation.

“My step father was in the RAAF during World War 2 as an armorer. He was on a pilot course when the war ended and he was demobbed and didn’t complete the pilot course,” he said.

“I just caught the bug.”

His step father and an uncle remained deeply interested in aviation and his first flights were aboard small civil light aircraft.

He joined the RAAF initially as an apprentice instrument fitter, with two and a half years at Wagga and the same at RAAF Williamtown where he studied at night school to attain the qualifications necessary to enter pilot training.

He joined the pilot course in 1974, learning to fly on the Winjeel.

“That was the first aeroplane I was serous about flying. It was the only aeroplane without an onboard computer with a mind of its own. There were times you when you felt you were just a passenger,” he said.

He flew C-130 Hercules for five years, starting on A models and the brand new H models.

“From there I applied to go to fighters and I was lucky enough to complete my training on the Mirage,” he said. As the Mirages were phased out he went onto F/A-18 Hornets.

“It was a lovely jet but going from Mirage to Hornet, second generation to a fourth generation aeroplane was a huge leap,” he said.

“Its capabilities were incredible and the modifications they have done on it through the years make it a very formidable platform, that’s for sure.”

Alas, he’ll never get the fly F-35, a true fifth generation platform and a quantum leap for the RAAF as was the transition from Mirage to Hornet.

He has flown the simulator which he said was amazing.

“I don’t think my brain space has got enough left in it to cope with something like that. Naturally enough being a fighter pilot, I would love to have a go at it but it’s not going to happen,” he said.

“The thing about the aeroplane is it’s so secret. The press only gets snippets of information and a lot of it isn’t indicative of what the aeroplane is capable of doing,” he said.

“There is no releasability of the real information. Nobody knows the real story apart from the guys who are over there flying it who are suitably impressed. It is a very exciting time for the air force.”

Along the way, he flew the Fokker DR1 Triplane for the RAAF museum, along with their Sabre.

“As a result of that people got to know me and I subsequently flew the the Fiat G59 Italian fighter – it’s like a Mustang – the P40 Kittyhawk, T28 Trojan, TBM Avenger, L39,” he said.

He also flew the MiG 15 and MiG 21, Iskra, a Polish jet trainer, Chinese Nanchang and L39.

Post-RAAF, he will continue to fly the L39 Albatross, a Czechoslovakian jet trainer, for which he’s a Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) training authority.

So if you’ve ever fancied a ride in fast jet, you can do so in a L39 with Frawls at the controls through Jetride (www.jetride.com.au) which operates out of Cessnock in the NSW Hunter Valley.

Right now the RAAF is rolling out a new fitness regime across the Air Combat Group and 76 Squadron to build up core strength to deal with the bane of fighter pilots, neck and back problems from flying high Gs with a heavy helmet while maintaining constant watch for hostiles.

Frawley said this was essential.

“I suffer really badly from back and neck problems. With the new helmets and a lot of weight on the top of your head and pulling Gs and stuff like that, it is a necessity,” he said.

“We encouraged it initially but it wasn’t compulsory but now it’s pretty much compulsory. It will avoid a lot of neck injuries.

“It’s great that the air force is starting to recognise that these young people really need to have a high level of fitness to fly these jets.”

Frawley says his back and neck problems are getting worse and that was one reason he was getting out now .

“It is sad to a certain extent but I realise the time has come. Everything is overtaking me so it’s time to quit,” he said.

With his final flight, he was given the traditional RAAF sendoff, kidnapped by fellow pilots, plonked in a chair then spayed with champagne and coated with flour and eggs.

Sill this isn’t the end of his flying. He will continue to do the adventure flights with Jetflight.

And he’s crew chief for the Warby Motorsport bid for the world water speed record, set by Ken Warby in 1978. That record, 511 km/h, has stood for the last 40 years.

Warby senior has retired from further record attempts but is assisting his son David in the latest bid. No date has yet been set but it will be attempted where the last record was set, Blowering Dam in the Snowy Mountains.

“I just help with the maintainers of the boat. That keeps me busy and it’s a wonderful thing to be involved. I am really looking forward to him breaking the record,” he said.

“We have had the boat up to 300 km/h. Just refining the handling of the boat is what we are doing now and getting the balance right.

“It will be a while before the attempt is made. Right now we are going through all the testing and the team training and stuff like that.”

Phil Frawley has been married to Kerry for 45 years and the couple have two sons and four grand children. Neither son chose a career in aviation – one is in IT, the other a policeman.

The youngest boy did a couple of lessons and he was very good. He had the aptitude but just not the drive or desire. I think over exposure was the problem,” he said.