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Xenophon says Qantas claims on Jetstar not credible

written by australianaviation.com.au | October 24, 2014
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at the Qantas AGM (
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at the Qantas AGM.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon headlined a list of frustrated shareholders looking for answers at Qantas’s annual general meeting in Melbourne on Friday.

The Senator took the step of purchasing $500 worth of Qantas shares to attend Friday’s annual general meeting and quiz the board on “questions that mum and dad shareholders have asked me to ask”.

Xenophon focused on the so-called real cost of Jetstar’s Asian operations, the nature of “confidential” briefings given to institutional investors and how Air New Zealand was able to post record profits while Qantas slumped to a $2.8 billion loss in 2013/14.

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On Jetstar, Xenophon asked chairman Leigh Clifford and chief executive Alan Joyce whether the low-cost airline group had “actually extracted one dollar of tangible, trade-related profit from any of the Asian investments in the last decade”.

“I’m not talking about book profit,” Xenophon said at the AGM. “To what extent has Qantas brought one dollar home from Asia in a decade in terms of the Jetstar Asia franchises”.

In response, Joyce said Jetstar Asia – the Singapore-based airline – had “made money four out of the last 10 years.”

“Last year it lost money because its local competitor added a huge amount of capacity and pushed the market into losses,” Joyce said.

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“There is now rationalisation of capacity and we see a path through for that business to go back into profits like it was in the previous four years before that capacity was added and I am comfortable it will get there.”

Joyce and Jetstar Group chief executive Jayne Hrdlicka have both said previously Jetstar had delivered $1 billion in profits to the Qantas Group.

However, Xenophon said he didn’t regard those claims as credible.

“Under current Australian accounting laws you can be as clear as mud when it comes to transference of costs within divisions of an airline,” Xenophon told reporters prior to the AGM.

“I suggest that Jetstar Asia has been the big black hole for Qantas.”

Xenophon also queried the nature of what Qantas told a Senate committee were confidential briefings with institutional investors between October 18 – the date of last year’s AGM – and December 5 2013.

In response, Joyce said: “There is never selective briefings that involve any information that is not available to all shareholders.”

The gathering at the Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre, which lasted about two hours and 20 minutes, also heard from a number of Qantas staff members keen to share their views about the current state of the company.

Col Rayner, a member of the Transport Workers Union, who works as an airline service operator for Qantas at Sydney Airport, said morale among his work colleagues was “at an all-time low”.

Meanwhile a Qantas 737 captain, Greg Harper, said record customer satisfaction levels the airline has been touting probably didn’t include Qantas international passengers in Perth and Adelaide, given Qantas had left them “high and dry”. Moreover, he said management “hadn’t been up to scratch”.

“To say our customers, who we have surveyed, say we are doing well, they are the customers we have left,” Harper said.

Elsewhere, a Qantas business class flyer and shareholder said the airline had been “gutted” under Joyce and Clifford’s leadership.

And Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White also urged Qantas to reconsider the loss of staff from the closure of call centres in Brisbane and Melbourne.

Senator Xenophon asks a question of the Qantas board.
Senator Xenophon asks a question of the Qantas board.

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15 Comments

  • Peter R

    says:

    Did Nick pay for those Qantas shares outta his own pocket or did the taxpayers ?

  • Marc

    says:

    Well you’ve got to hand it to him. He’s one of a few prepared to get off his backside.

  • Brian L

    says:

    Both State and Federal parliaments need more Nick Xenophon -. Politicians who put the people before the party. How Joyce and Clifford have held on to their jobs and HUGE pay packets in the light of the company’s performance is an indictment of the shareholders.

  • Natalie P

    says:

    Thank you Nick for taking some tough questions to Joyce. He has been the worst page in the flying Kangaroo’s history and still he can smile about it as he fills his pockets for a job my three year old could do better!

    Congrats Nick Everyone in Canberra should be thanking you

  • Darrell

    says:

    @Peter R Out of his own pocket. Its illegal for an MP or Senator to use taxpayer funds for investment purposes.

  • Brendan

    says:

    So let me get this straight. Joyce cuts thousands of jobs to cut costs, records record losses under his “leadership” but he stands to gain $2.5m in a few years time?

    And the shareholders approved this?

    No wonder this company is in shambles.

  • Roland Barrel

    says:

    Nick Xenophon is the only politician prepared to take Joyce and Hrdlicka on over these issues. The “Asian expansion” strategy for Jetstar has come at the expense of QF “International” and has cost thousands of jobs to be lost and massive amounts of money, with ‘cost shifting’ and ‘cost transference’ the only way to hide the blunders and bad management of Joyce, Hrdlicka and the Qantas Board.

  • Roland Barrel

    says:

    Who is @Peter R>? What kind of comment is that? Nick Xenophon is one of the rare politicians who gets down and dirty in understanding issues and one of the rare ones who is truly there to try and represent the ‘majority’ of Aussies not vested interests and big business.

  • PeterL

    says:

    Mmmm here we go again…all the armchair experts who know more than the institutional investors who support Joyce and his board….really people get real! It is the institutional investors that know what they are doing when they invest their $100s of millions in Qantas not some half bake politician with his $500 worth.

    I am surprised one of you has not raise how great AirNZ is???? Lets have a little look back at history. AirNZ collapsed and the NZ Gov bailed them out. It gave them a chance to restructure removing all the costly legacy work practises. Qantas could have done the same thing, shut down International and started again but to their credit they did not.

    They have been doing it the hard way, and trying to keep as many people employed as possible. It would have been so so easy for them to shut the whole International arm down. It is a global market and Qantas has to compete on the world stage and to do that they need to remove costs and restructure….I don’t think anybody wanted them to do it the AirNZ way…

    To those that keep saying sell off Frequent Flyer, sell off Jetstar, obviously you are not business people just armchair experts as anybody in business knows you do not sell off the divisions generating the cash flow.

    Wonder when you armchair experts are going to turn your attention to Virgin Australia as they don’t make a profit either……

  • Peter J Cesnik

    says:

    I had retired some years ago from QF after 32 good years. Never ever did I expect to see the “roo” on its side. No hop in it left. Few of my workmates, who still labor at QF are dismayed and lethargic about the management. There have been some dismal GM’s in QF in the past, but the Irishman takes the some extra praise for being a man without vision and ability. Even G. Dixon was better (but not much…) And my shares today are worth how much…?

  • Alan Flood

    says:

    I agree with you PeterL, well said. My only comments on QF is that the Board recognises the most important assets to the business are the staff not the planes. Empower them to inspire, create and lead will pull the business ahead further than any new uniforms and technology ever will. Without your people on board, you can only expect a sluggish performance at best. Alan Joyce deserves some credit, he has had to make some really tough decisions left to him as the legacy failings of the previous boards. I do see a positive future ahead but the flying world as we know has changed so much in in the short history of aviation. It is a very dynamic environment.

  • Mark

    says:

    Sack Joyce and employ a board with vision to build on this great airline!!

  • Geoffrey Mee

    says:

    Yes Nick Xenophon deserves praise. He is one of the very few who will question the big side of town. In this case Qantas have a lot to answer for and it seems little was revealed from his queries at the AGM.

    The continual downslide Mr. Joyce has generated is absurd and it astonishes me few other aviation luminaries have not taken him on as Mr Xenophon has.

    Where is the vigor of debate, transparency and resolution?

  • Alan

    says:

    I don’t know enough about the details to comment decisively. I do suspect that Joyce and the Board have loaded Qantas International with more than its fair share of the debt. But what I can say decisively is that, like many Australians, I always had a good feeling towards Qantas and was always prepared to pay a little extra to give them my business. But somehow Joyce has destroyed that loyalty. I’ve joined other rewards schemes now and fly the best price on the day. Qantas is now just one of the many. In fact, I think I’m a bit partial to Virgin…….

  • Adam

    says:

    PeterL here here for some sound reasoning and good common sense

    A lot of people granted in these forums and in australia have no idea about anything outside australia’s back yard…for what you get overseas, australians should be incredibly proud of what Qantas has been able to do…but it seems Qantas can do no right in some peoples eyes- like you said, had they taken the path of AirNZ, AA,United, JAL and the list goes on, of all these airlines who have had to seek bankruptcy protection and massive changes to be able to even stay afloat let alone compete, the aussie ‘battler’ would be up in arms saying no..not our carrier…its our national carrier!! while at the same time booking a ticket on air asia coz it was $10 cheaper urghhhhh

    I cant wait to see the gobsmacked look on peoples faces when QF does report a solid profit next year, Joyce has done nothing but incredible work for what a mess he was given, given that James Strong and Geoff Dixon should have had the foresight to fix up the airlines work practices post deregulation here in australia, however with his standing up to the unions, his resolve to make Qantas strong enough to compete as an end of line carrier in the high investment risk segment that is aviation and to compete against so many government back airlines who dont have to commit to commercial reality to operate, have all earned him a great amount of respect in my eyes

    In contrast, Nick Xenophon…well now thats just a galah that can keep squawking…he has no idea about aviation and never will

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Xenophon says Qantas claims on Jetstar not credible

written by australianaviation.com.au | October 24, 2014
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at the Qantas AGM (
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at the Qantas AGM.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon headlined a list of frustrated shareholders looking for answers at Qantas’s annual general meeting in Melbourne on Friday.

The Senator took the step of purchasing $500 worth of Qantas shares to attend Friday’s annual general meeting and quiz the board on “questions that mum and dad shareholders have asked me to ask”.

Xenophon focused on the so-called real cost of Jetstar’s Asian operations, the nature of “confidential” briefings given to institutional investors and how Air New Zealand was able to post record profits while Qantas slumped to a $2.8 billion loss in 2013/14.

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On Jetstar, Xenophon asked chairman Leigh Clifford and chief executive Alan Joyce whether the low-cost airline group had “actually extracted one dollar of tangible, trade-related profit from any of the Asian investments in the last decade”.

“I’m not talking about book profit,” Xenophon said at the AGM. “To what extent has Qantas brought one dollar home from Asia in a decade in terms of the Jetstar Asia franchises”.

In response, Joyce said Jetstar Asia – the Singapore-based airline – had “made money four out of the last 10 years.”

“Last year it lost money because its local competitor added a huge amount of capacity and pushed the market into losses,” Joyce said.

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“There is now rationalisation of capacity and we see a path through for that business to go back into profits like it was in the previous four years before that capacity was added and I am comfortable it will get there.”

Joyce and Jetstar Group chief executive Jayne Hrdlicka have both said previously Jetstar had delivered $1 billion in profits to the Qantas Group.

However, Xenophon said he didn’t regard those claims as credible.

“Under current Australian accounting laws you can be as clear as mud when it comes to transference of costs within divisions of an airline,” Xenophon told reporters prior to the AGM.

“I suggest that Jetstar Asia has been the big black hole for Qantas.”

Xenophon also queried the nature of what Qantas told a Senate committee were confidential briefings with institutional investors between October 18 – the date of last year’s AGM – and December 5 2013.

In response, Joyce said: “There is never selective briefings that involve any information that is not available to all shareholders.”

The gathering at the Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre, which lasted about two hours and 20 minutes, also heard from a number of Qantas staff members keen to share their views about the current state of the company.

Col Rayner, a member of the Transport Workers Union, who works as an airline service operator for Qantas at Sydney Airport, said morale among his work colleagues was “at an all-time low”.

Meanwhile a Qantas 737 captain, Greg Harper, said record customer satisfaction levels the airline has been touting probably didn’t include Qantas international passengers in Perth and Adelaide, given Qantas had left them “high and dry”. Moreover, he said management “hadn’t been up to scratch”.

“To say our customers, who we have surveyed, say we are doing well, they are the customers we have left,” Harper said.

Elsewhere, a Qantas business class flyer and shareholder said the airline had been “gutted” under Joyce and Clifford’s leadership.

And Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White also urged Qantas to reconsider the loss of staff from the closure of call centres in Brisbane and Melbourne.

Senator Xenophon asks a question of the Qantas board.
Senator Xenophon asks a question of the Qantas board.

Steer your own in-flight experience – available on print and digital Whether our classic glossy magazine in your letterbox, daily news updates in your inbox, peeling back a few layers in the podcast or our monthly current affair reports, you can count on us to keep you up to date. Sign up today for just $99.95 for more exclusive offers here. Subscribe now at australianaviation.com.au.

15 Comments

  • Peter R

    says:

    Did Nick pay for those Qantas shares outta his own pocket or did the taxpayers ?

  • Marc

    says:

    Well you’ve got to hand it to him. He’s one of a few prepared to get off his backside.

  • Brian L

    says:

    Both State and Federal parliaments need more Nick Xenophon -. Politicians who put the people before the party. How Joyce and Clifford have held on to their jobs and HUGE pay packets in the light of the company’s performance is an indictment of the shareholders.

  • Natalie P

    says:

    Thank you Nick for taking some tough questions to Joyce. He has been the worst page in the flying Kangaroo’s history and still he can smile about it as he fills his pockets for a job my three year old could do better!

    Congrats Nick Everyone in Canberra should be thanking you

  • Darrell

    says:

    @Peter R Out of his own pocket. Its illegal for an MP or Senator to use taxpayer funds for investment purposes.

  • Brendan

    says:

    So let me get this straight. Joyce cuts thousands of jobs to cut costs, records record losses under his “leadership” but he stands to gain $2.5m in a few years time?

    And the shareholders approved this?

    No wonder this company is in shambles.

  • Roland Barrel

    says:

    Nick Xenophon is the only politician prepared to take Joyce and Hrdlicka on over these issues. The “Asian expansion” strategy for Jetstar has come at the expense of QF “International” and has cost thousands of jobs to be lost and massive amounts of money, with ‘cost shifting’ and ‘cost transference’ the only way to hide the blunders and bad management of Joyce, Hrdlicka and the Qantas Board.

  • Roland Barrel

    says:

    Who is @Peter R>? What kind of comment is that? Nick Xenophon is one of the rare politicians who gets down and dirty in understanding issues and one of the rare ones who is truly there to try and represent the ‘majority’ of Aussies not vested interests and big business.

  • PeterL

    says:

    Mmmm here we go again…all the armchair experts who know more than the institutional investors who support Joyce and his board….really people get real! It is the institutional investors that know what they are doing when they invest their $100s of millions in Qantas not some half bake politician with his $500 worth.

    I am surprised one of you has not raise how great AirNZ is???? Lets have a little look back at history. AirNZ collapsed and the NZ Gov bailed them out. It gave them a chance to restructure removing all the costly legacy work practises. Qantas could have done the same thing, shut down International and started again but to their credit they did not.

    They have been doing it the hard way, and trying to keep as many people employed as possible. It would have been so so easy for them to shut the whole International arm down. It is a global market and Qantas has to compete on the world stage and to do that they need to remove costs and restructure….I don’t think anybody wanted them to do it the AirNZ way…

    To those that keep saying sell off Frequent Flyer, sell off Jetstar, obviously you are not business people just armchair experts as anybody in business knows you do not sell off the divisions generating the cash flow.

    Wonder when you armchair experts are going to turn your attention to Virgin Australia as they don’t make a profit either……

  • Peter J Cesnik

    says:

    I had retired some years ago from QF after 32 good years. Never ever did I expect to see the “roo” on its side. No hop in it left. Few of my workmates, who still labor at QF are dismayed and lethargic about the management. There have been some dismal GM’s in QF in the past, but the Irishman takes the some extra praise for being a man without vision and ability. Even G. Dixon was better (but not much…) And my shares today are worth how much…?

  • Alan Flood

    says:

    I agree with you PeterL, well said. My only comments on QF is that the Board recognises the most important assets to the business are the staff not the planes. Empower them to inspire, create and lead will pull the business ahead further than any new uniforms and technology ever will. Without your people on board, you can only expect a sluggish performance at best. Alan Joyce deserves some credit, he has had to make some really tough decisions left to him as the legacy failings of the previous boards. I do see a positive future ahead but the flying world as we know has changed so much in in the short history of aviation. It is a very dynamic environment.

  • Mark

    says:

    Sack Joyce and employ a board with vision to build on this great airline!!

  • Geoffrey Mee

    says:

    Yes Nick Xenophon deserves praise. He is one of the very few who will question the big side of town. In this case Qantas have a lot to answer for and it seems little was revealed from his queries at the AGM.

    The continual downslide Mr. Joyce has generated is absurd and it astonishes me few other aviation luminaries have not taken him on as Mr Xenophon has.

    Where is the vigor of debate, transparency and resolution?

  • Alan

    says:

    I don’t know enough about the details to comment decisively. I do suspect that Joyce and the Board have loaded Qantas International with more than its fair share of the debt. But what I can say decisively is that, like many Australians, I always had a good feeling towards Qantas and was always prepared to pay a little extra to give them my business. But somehow Joyce has destroyed that loyalty. I’ve joined other rewards schemes now and fly the best price on the day. Qantas is now just one of the many. In fact, I think I’m a bit partial to Virgin…….

  • Adam

    says:

    PeterL here here for some sound reasoning and good common sense

    A lot of people granted in these forums and in australia have no idea about anything outside australia’s back yard…for what you get overseas, australians should be incredibly proud of what Qantas has been able to do…but it seems Qantas can do no right in some peoples eyes- like you said, had they taken the path of AirNZ, AA,United, JAL and the list goes on, of all these airlines who have had to seek bankruptcy protection and massive changes to be able to even stay afloat let alone compete, the aussie ‘battler’ would be up in arms saying no..not our carrier…its our national carrier!! while at the same time booking a ticket on air asia coz it was $10 cheaper urghhhhh

    I cant wait to see the gobsmacked look on peoples faces when QF does report a solid profit next year, Joyce has done nothing but incredible work for what a mess he was given, given that James Strong and Geoff Dixon should have had the foresight to fix up the airlines work practices post deregulation here in australia, however with his standing up to the unions, his resolve to make Qantas strong enough to compete as an end of line carrier in the high investment risk segment that is aviation and to compete against so many government back airlines who dont have to commit to commercial reality to operate, have all earned him a great amount of respect in my eyes

    In contrast, Nick Xenophon…well now thats just a galah that can keep squawking…he has no idea about aviation and never will

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Xenophon says Qantas claims on Jetstar not credible

written by australianaviation.com.au | October 24, 2014
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at the Qantas AGM (
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon speaks at the Qantas AGM.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon headlined a list of frustrated shareholders looking for answers at Qantas’s annual general meeting in Melbourne on Friday.

The Senator took the step of purchasing $500 worth of Qantas shares to attend Friday’s annual general meeting and quiz the board on “questions that mum and dad shareholders have asked me to ask”.

Xenophon focused on the so-called real cost of Jetstar’s Asian operations, the nature of “confidential” briefings given to institutional investors and how Air New Zealand was able to post record profits while Qantas slumped to a $2.8 billion loss in 2013/14.

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On Jetstar, Xenophon asked chairman Leigh Clifford and chief executive Alan Joyce whether the low-cost airline group had “actually extracted one dollar of tangible, trade-related profit from any of the Asian investments in the last decade”.

“I’m not talking about book profit,” Xenophon said at the AGM. “To what extent has Qantas brought one dollar home from Asia in a decade in terms of the Jetstar Asia franchises”.

In response, Joyce said Jetstar Asia – the Singapore-based airline – had “made money four out of the last 10 years.”

“Last year it lost money because its local competitor added a huge amount of capacity and pushed the market into losses,” Joyce said.

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“There is now rationalisation of capacity and we see a path through for that business to go back into profits like it was in the previous four years before that capacity was added and I am comfortable it will get there.”

Joyce and Jetstar Group chief executive Jayne Hrdlicka have both said previously Jetstar had delivered $1 billion in profits to the Qantas Group.

However, Xenophon said he didn’t regard those claims as credible.

“Under current Australian accounting laws you can be as clear as mud when it comes to transference of costs within divisions of an airline,” Xenophon told reporters prior to the AGM.

“I suggest that Jetstar Asia has been the big black hole for Qantas.”

Xenophon also queried the nature of what Qantas told a Senate committee were confidential briefings with institutional investors between October 18 – the date of last year’s AGM – and December 5 2013.

In response, Joyce said: “There is never selective briefings that involve any information that is not available to all shareholders.”

The gathering at the Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre, which lasted about two hours and 20 minutes, also heard from a number of Qantas staff members keen to share their views about the current state of the company.

Col Rayner, a member of the Transport Workers Union, who works as an airline service operator for Qantas at Sydney Airport, said morale among his work colleagues was “at an all-time low”.

Meanwhile a Qantas 737 captain, Greg Harper, said record customer satisfaction levels the airline has been touting probably didn’t include Qantas international passengers in Perth and Adelaide, given Qantas had left them “high and dry”. Moreover, he said management “hadn’t been up to scratch”.

“To say our customers, who we have surveyed, say we are doing well, they are the customers we have left,” Harper said.

Elsewhere, a Qantas business class flyer and shareholder said the airline had been “gutted” under Joyce and Clifford’s leadership.

And Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White also urged Qantas to reconsider the loss of staff from the closure of call centres in Brisbane and Melbourne.

Senator Xenophon asks a question of the Qantas board.
Senator Xenophon asks a question of the Qantas board.

Steer your own in-flight experience – available on print and digital Whether our classic glossy magazine in your letterbox, daily news updates in your inbox, peeling back a few layers in the podcast or our monthly current affair reports, you can count on us to keep you up to date. Sign up today for just $99.95 for more exclusive offers here. Subscribe now at australianaviation.com.au.

15 Comments

  • Peter R

    says:

    Did Nick pay for those Qantas shares outta his own pocket or did the taxpayers ?

  • Marc

    says:

    Well you’ve got to hand it to him. He’s one of a few prepared to get off his backside.

  • Brian L

    says:

    Both State and Federal parliaments need more Nick Xenophon -. Politicians who put the people before the party. How Joyce and Clifford have held on to their jobs and HUGE pay packets in the light of the company’s performance is an indictment of the shareholders.

  • Natalie P

    says:

    Thank you Nick for taking some tough questions to Joyce. He has been the worst page in the flying Kangaroo’s history and still he can smile about it as he fills his pockets for a job my three year old could do better!

    Congrats Nick Everyone in Canberra should be thanking you

  • Darrell

    says:

    @Peter R Out of his own pocket. Its illegal for an MP or Senator to use taxpayer funds for investment purposes.

  • Brendan

    says:

    So let me get this straight. Joyce cuts thousands of jobs to cut costs, records record losses under his “leadership” but he stands to gain $2.5m in a few years time?

    And the shareholders approved this?

    No wonder this company is in shambles.

  • Roland Barrel

    says:

    Nick Xenophon is the only politician prepared to take Joyce and Hrdlicka on over these issues. The “Asian expansion” strategy for Jetstar has come at the expense of QF “International” and has cost thousands of jobs to be lost and massive amounts of money, with ‘cost shifting’ and ‘cost transference’ the only way to hide the blunders and bad management of Joyce, Hrdlicka and the Qantas Board.

  • Roland Barrel

    says:

    Who is @Peter R>? What kind of comment is that? Nick Xenophon is one of the rare politicians who gets down and dirty in understanding issues and one of the rare ones who is truly there to try and represent the ‘majority’ of Aussies not vested interests and big business.

  • PeterL

    says:

    Mmmm here we go again…all the armchair experts who know more than the institutional investors who support Joyce and his board….really people get real! It is the institutional investors that know what they are doing when they invest their $100s of millions in Qantas not some half bake politician with his $500 worth.

    I am surprised one of you has not raise how great AirNZ is???? Lets have a little look back at history. AirNZ collapsed and the NZ Gov bailed them out. It gave them a chance to restructure removing all the costly legacy work practises. Qantas could have done the same thing, shut down International and started again but to their credit they did not.

    They have been doing it the hard way, and trying to keep as many people employed as possible. It would have been so so easy for them to shut the whole International arm down. It is a global market and Qantas has to compete on the world stage and to do that they need to remove costs and restructure….I don’t think anybody wanted them to do it the AirNZ way…

    To those that keep saying sell off Frequent Flyer, sell off Jetstar, obviously you are not business people just armchair experts as anybody in business knows you do not sell off the divisions generating the cash flow.

    Wonder when you armchair experts are going to turn your attention to Virgin Australia as they don’t make a profit either……

  • Peter J Cesnik

    says:

    I had retired some years ago from QF after 32 good years. Never ever did I expect to see the “roo” on its side. No hop in it left. Few of my workmates, who still labor at QF are dismayed and lethargic about the management. There have been some dismal GM’s in QF in the past, but the Irishman takes the some extra praise for being a man without vision and ability. Even G. Dixon was better (but not much…) And my shares today are worth how much…?

  • Alan Flood

    says:

    I agree with you PeterL, well said. My only comments on QF is that the Board recognises the most important assets to the business are the staff not the planes. Empower them to inspire, create and lead will pull the business ahead further than any new uniforms and technology ever will. Without your people on board, you can only expect a sluggish performance at best. Alan Joyce deserves some credit, he has had to make some really tough decisions left to him as the legacy failings of the previous boards. I do see a positive future ahead but the flying world as we know has changed so much in in the short history of aviation. It is a very dynamic environment.

  • Mark

    says:

    Sack Joyce and employ a board with vision to build on this great airline!!

  • Geoffrey Mee

    says:

    Yes Nick Xenophon deserves praise. He is one of the very few who will question the big side of town. In this case Qantas have a lot to answer for and it seems little was revealed from his queries at the AGM.

    The continual downslide Mr. Joyce has generated is absurd and it astonishes me few other aviation luminaries have not taken him on as Mr Xenophon has.

    Where is the vigor of debate, transparency and resolution?

  • Alan

    says:

    I don’t know enough about the details to comment decisively. I do suspect that Joyce and the Board have loaded Qantas International with more than its fair share of the debt. But what I can say decisively is that, like many Australians, I always had a good feeling towards Qantas and was always prepared to pay a little extra to give them my business. But somehow Joyce has destroyed that loyalty. I’ve joined other rewards schemes now and fly the best price on the day. Qantas is now just one of the many. In fact, I think I’m a bit partial to Virgin…….

  • Adam

    says:

    PeterL here here for some sound reasoning and good common sense

    A lot of people granted in these forums and in australia have no idea about anything outside australia’s back yard…for what you get overseas, australians should be incredibly proud of what Qantas has been able to do…but it seems Qantas can do no right in some peoples eyes- like you said, had they taken the path of AirNZ, AA,United, JAL and the list goes on, of all these airlines who have had to seek bankruptcy protection and massive changes to be able to even stay afloat let alone compete, the aussie ‘battler’ would be up in arms saying no..not our carrier…its our national carrier!! while at the same time booking a ticket on air asia coz it was $10 cheaper urghhhhh

    I cant wait to see the gobsmacked look on peoples faces when QF does report a solid profit next year, Joyce has done nothing but incredible work for what a mess he was given, given that James Strong and Geoff Dixon should have had the foresight to fix up the airlines work practices post deregulation here in australia, however with his standing up to the unions, his resolve to make Qantas strong enough to compete as an end of line carrier in the high investment risk segment that is aviation and to compete against so many government back airlines who dont have to commit to commercial reality to operate, have all earned him a great amount of respect in my eyes

    In contrast, Nick Xenophon…well now thats just a galah that can keep squawking…he has no idea about aviation and never will

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