Second batch of four P-8s for the RAAF approved

P-8_1The government has approved the acquisition of a second batch of four P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft.

Acquisition of eight Boeing P-8As was approved in 2014 (and the first aircraft are now under assembly), but the recently released Defence White Paper’s accompanying Integrated Investment Program (IIP) revealed that, “Eight Poseidon aircraft will be introduced in the early 2020s, with seven additional aircraft to be acquired in two tranches to bring the total to 15 aircraft by the late 2020s.”

Approval of the first of those additional tranches of P-8s was subsequently announced by Defence Minister Senator Marise Payne at the RAAF’s Air Power Conference in Canberra on Tuesday.

“As foreshadowed in the White Paper, I can indicate today that the Government has approved the acquisition of four additional P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance and response aircraft, bringing the total number of P-8As on order to 12,” the Minister said in a speech that also confirmed the entry into service date of the MQ-4C Triton maritime surveillance unmanned aircraft system. Both the P-8A and MQ-4C are being acquired to replace the RAAF’s current AP-3C Orion aircraft.

“The first of the Poseidons is expected to be delivered late this year and 12 aircraft will be in service by 2022,” Senator Payne said.

“Pending government approval a further three aircraft are planned to enter service late in the 2020s and the Triton is planned to be introduced into service in 2023.”

Comments

  1. Tomcat Terry says

    @tipo
    Oh dear … Can’t see how that comment can be responded too.
    Just keep your political views to yourself and leave the Defence of our vast country and ocean territories to those of us that have a grip on reality.

  2. Chris says

    No it’s not, tipo. This is one part of Defence’s transformation under Project Jericho and has been budgeted for, and in some cases, already paid for.
    The P-8’s are replacing our near 50 year old P-3s.
    The mission profile of these assets is critical to our maritime operations and the interest of Australia.
    Australia’s defence budget is expected to increase to 2% of GDP by 2023. I hardly call that ‘out of control’ spending.
    I’ll leave you with this, tipo. A government’s number 1 priority is the defence and protection of the nation and its people. Period. I’ll let you pontificate on the rest of its priorities based on what you think is important. But number 1 is not open to discussion. Ever.

  3. Sam says

    Tipo,

    The P-8 acquisition has been a planned replacement for the P-3 for a longtime now. With the current state of border patrols and anti-piracy activities overseas the ADF deserves the best equipment available. The P-8 will be a great asset to the ADF and the people and interests they protect for many years to come.

    We can’t stand here and say government spending is out of control. If we held off and didn’t spend the money now the opportunity for the P-8 was pass us by. Then we’d have people complaining about our ageing P-3 fleet and why the government did’t replace them sooner.

  4. PeterL says

    Not out of control but playing catch up due to neglect by past governments. Our defence force needs the best equipment to defend our country and protect the lives of our defence force personnel.

  5. Trevor Amos says

    Hi Tippo.

    Even in tight economic times Governments still need to spend money on essential long term items. Outlining the next batch of a staggered purchase could hardly be called spending out of control. I would say it is responsible and well planned spending.

    Trev

  6. mick181 says

    Nearly all our Defence equipment is at bare minimum numbers to do the job in an emergency. The Australian EEZ = 1/9th of the earths surface so this is a badly needed capability, really we need 2-3 times this number. We are vulnerable to having our trade routes to North Asia cut off if things went south.
    As a long term Defence follower i found the DWP excellant, well put together, not asking for the impossible like Carriers, Armoured Divisions & large Bombers.

  7. Geoff says

    Long overdue procurements. Yes govt neglect of defence strategy in the past as PeterL points out.

  8. ng says

    I am an American that works for a competitor of Boeing. So I have no stake in an argument against the P8. The P3 is a venerable aircraft, however, beyond its years. The P8 is an absolute must-have asset. Australia – yes, I have been there – requires this technology to keep her borders safe. This AC will represent the next decades of years security, as the P3 had.

  9. Bill Fitzsimons says

    Fitzy101

    I’m not someone with the military background that you gentlemen have, but I applaud a government who does its best to keep our ADF up to date and not like the governments in the past who waited almost too long to see the need for up to date military to defend our great and vast country. Remember the Brewster Buffalo.

    Fitz

  10. Christopher says

    Hi tipo,

    Please take due respect of the previous responses…
    Defence of the country is one of the most important duties of a government…
    It is not a war mongering…..pro war stance; increasing our spending our spending on defence, it is responding to the evolving strategic issues on our doorstep. Asia; is the fastest growing market on defence spending in the world..

    Do you want Australia to be left behind; were we are not able to defend are borders & project our interests?

    Australia being a free & open democracy we have assets to protect; most importantly our people…
    I take it from your comments; you’d probably be someone you’d be screaming about lack of spending in the time of troubles…

    There is bipartisan support in government when it comes to defence; I would assume from your statement you’re someone; who would prefer to place a flower in the muzzle of a gun….and rabbit on about peace… Unfortunately; the world is not like that…

  11. Bill says

    Peter G:
    We need 15 (or more) to cover all the work that they are tasked to do, and to cover maintenance.

    Tony T:
    They’re using raked wingtips (ala 777), better optimised for the flight profiles expected to be flown. Winglets as used on the standard aircraft are optimised for a different flight profiles.

  12. Geoff says

    Winglets have been replaced with a new patented “raked” wingtip similar in design that Boeing has used on the newer 777’s.

    Longer wings, higher aspect ratio for similar beneficial lower drag outcome……etc

  13. Myles says

    Dobo.

    Well done all with a lot of correct points here. Whats wrong tipo scared your Gov payments may be cut? unlike the dole Defense spending is capped and actually provides employment as well as Defense for this great Nation. Do know about rising tensions in the Spratly Islands with an increasingly militaristic country bullying its neighbors and building Military Island Bases to enforce their will on others as well as being able to cut the communications over and under the ocean if they so wish. So to the P8’s, they will be used to patrol and monitor this area as well our immediate surrounds to ensure Australia’s and its allies have the free passage they enjoy today.

  14. says

    I’d simply like to clarify the comment by Chris earlier, the P3 type has been operated by the RAAF since 1968 when we acquired the initial 10 P3B airplanes. In the late 70s, the RAAF added a squadron of 10 of the later P3C airplanes. Then, in the early/mid 80s, sold the older P3Bs back to Lockheed, replacing them with the newer, updated P3C. So although the type has been in service with the RAAF for nearly 50 years, the actual airplanes are not 50 years old. They are a great airplane, and served/are serving Australia extremely well, I know, I flew them for 10 years, nearly 6,000 hours.